Police fail to arrest driver of rolled car

[thirdcrank]

@ UpWrong

I don't expect "act and section" from a layman but to put it bluntly, I do not think you have paid much heed to what I was saying.. To put it another way, what's incorrect in my post?

There's nothing incorrect in your post. The Law appears to be operating in a blinkered box and it wouldn't be the first time.

If I've not made it clear, I don't think that in this context that the law is in any way blinkered. On the contrary, it has eventually got this better than it has been before. ie This wide power is constrained so it's only properly used when genuinely necessary. I'd hesitate to say "Got this right" because there may be more to come (You have edited your OP so I don't know what you were alleging originally)

[UpWrong]

@ UpWrong

I don't expect "act and section" from a layman but to put it bluntly, I do not think you have paid much heed to what I was saying.. To put it another way, what's incorrect in my post?

There's nothing incorrect in your post. The Law appears to be operating in a blinkered box and it wouldn't be the first time.

If I've not made it clear, I don't think that in this context that the law is in any way blinkered. On the contrary, it has eventually got this better than it has been before. ie This wide power is constrained so it's only properly used when genuinely necessary. I'd hesitate to say "Got this right" because there may be more to come (You have edited your OP so I don't know what you were alleging originally)

I corrected a spelling mistake in the title of my first post.

[UpWrong]

What information would you like, given your concern about bad police management of PR?

For a start,

Is it clear that the driver wasn't under the influence of drink or drugs?
Is the driver's eyesight satisfactory?
Is the driver insured and the vehicle licenced to be on the road?
Is there an on-going investigation?

[Jdsk]

What information would you like, given your concern about bad police management of PR?

For a start,

Is it clear that the driver wasn't under the influence of drink or drugs?
Is the driver's eyesight satisfactory?
Is the driver insured and the vehicle licenced to be on the road?
Is there an on-going investigation?

My emboldening.

Yes, there is an investigation, according to the newspaper article which you cited in the OP.

Jonathan

[UpWrong]

What information would you like, given your concern about bad police management of PR?

For a start,

Is it clear that the driver wasn't under the influence of drink or drugs?
Is the driver's eyesight satisfactory?
Is the driver insured and the vehicle licenced to be on the road?
Is there an on-going investigation?

My emboldening.

Yes, there is an investigation, according to the newspaper article which you cited in the OP.

Jonathan

Yes, that was belatedly established. To be fair, the media could well be at fault, they have a tendency to get things wrong.

My point is the police need to give the message these things are important and are checked.

[thirdcrank]

I corrected a spelling mistake in the title of my first post.

Sorry for being suspicious.

My point remains that - based only on my research today - that arresting the driver in this case would have been an inappropriate use of the power created under the 2005 Act (linked above)

I would also say - based on my wide experience under the old rules - and to the extent I assume the details outlined in the original report to be true, I cannot see that any useful contribution would be be made to this investigation by arresting the driver.

FWIW, I feel this cycling "Tzar" might usefully have been more circumspect in their comments on social media
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My point is the police need to give the message these things are important and are checked.

I do not accept that the police should misuse powers to give a message

[UpWrong]

I corrected a spelling mistake in the title of my first post.

Sorry for being suspicious.

My point remains that - based only on my research today - that arresting the driver in this case would have been an inappropriate use of the power created under the 2005 Act (linked above)

I would also say - based on my wide experience under the old rules - and to the extent I assume the details outlined in the original report to be true, I cannot see that any useful contribution would be be made to this investigation by arresting the driver.

FWIW, I feel this cycling "Tzar" might usefully have been more circumspect in their comments on social media
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My point is the police need to give the message these things are important and are checked.

I do not accept that the police should misuse powers to give a message

Nor do I, and I understand your objection to the thread title which was constructed in haste.

[Mike Sales]

I do not accept that the police should misuse powers to give a message

The judiciary though are often told to send messages in their sentencing.

[thirdcrank]

If we consider what happened - as opposed to what might have happened - there was a crash. Probably a spectacular crash. The media are always hoping for a good quote which imo is a reason for tzars and their like to be circumspect about their comments

The judiciary though are often told to send messages in their sentencing.

And there's a system governing that

[Bonefishblues]

For a start,

Is it clear that the driver wasn't under the influence of drink or drugs?
Is the driver's eyesight satisfactory?
Is the driver insured and the vehicle licenced to be on the road?
Is there an on-going investigation?

My emboldening.

Yes, there is an investigation, according to the newspaper article which you cited in the OP.

Jonathan

Yes, that was belatedly established. To be fair, the media could well be at fault, they have a tendency to get things wrong.

My point is the police need to give the message these things are important and are checked.

Won't those and many other things be the subject of the ongoing investigation?
It may be actively unhelpful to enquiries to start giving active updates. I'm mindful of events in the river wyre on the recent past.
Doubtless the facts will come out in due course. 3 days after the event, less so, and I'm sure with good reason.

[UpWrong]

My emboldening.

Yes, there is an investigation, according to the newspaper article which you cited in the OP.

Jonathan

Yes, that was belatedly established. To be fair, the media could well be at fault, they have a tendency to get things wrong.

My point is the police need to give the message these things are important and are checked.

Won't those and many other things be the subject of the ongoing investigation?
It may be actively unhelpful to enquiries to start giving active updates. I'm mindful of events in the river wyre on the recent past.
Doubtless the facts will come out in due course. 3 days after the event, less so, and I'm sure with good reason.

They may come out in due course, but will they be reported? I think all the above should be clarified up front in the first communication within 24 hrs.

[Bonefishblues]

Yes, that was belatedly established. To be fair, the media could well be at fault, they have a tendency to get things wrong.

My point is the police need to give the message these things are important and are checked.

Won't those and many other things be the subject of the ongoing investigation?
It may be actively unhelpful to enquiries to start giving active updates. I'm mindful of events in the river wyre on the recent past.
Doubtless the facts will come out in due course. 3 days after the event, less so, and I'm sure with good reason.

They may come out in due course, but will they be reported? I think all the above should be clarified up front in the first communication within 24 hrs.

It just featured on the BBC 6 o'clock news. Any good?

[DaveReading]

I do not accept that the police should misuse powers to give a message

The judiciary though are often told to send messages in their sentencing.

The great thing about being a judge is that you are rarely obliged to do as you are told.

[Bonefishblues]

I do not accept that the police should misuse powers to give a message

The judiciary though are often told to send messages in their sentencing.

The great thing about being a judge is that you are rarely obliged to do as you are told.

There are formal Guidelines and Judges have to justify why they have sentenced as they did.

[Pebble]

May be the police had not seen that video when they attended. If they had they would probably of arrested the driver for driving like a plank. As it was they may have assumed it had just fallen over, unusually parked. Police have funny ideas sometimes.

They often seem to arrest then release under investigation, HGV drivers when they are involved in accidents - why do they do that?