Dog walkers or horseriders?

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Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

Postby Ontherivet77 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:25 am

I was under the impression that mountain bikes are for mountains, not the local tow path. Perhaps that's the best place for them :D
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Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

Postby Bicycler » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:26 pm

Mountain bike is a marketing term. There's nothing that makes it unsuitable for use elsewhere. I preferred the old term ATB All Terrain Bicycle. They can be very versatile bikes and I bet most never see action in the mountains
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Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

Postby Ontherivet77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:15 am

Psamathe wrote:
MDC wrote:Who gets your vote for the most irritating?

Abstain ... because our countryside should be for everybody to enjoy and we need to be considerate to all users.

So often on this forum there are "anti-motor vehicles" posts blaming drivers for anything and everything. Now we are "blaming" dog walkers and "blaming" horse riders. It is sounding like cyclists want everybody else to just get off everything and everywhere and have everything turned over for the exclusive use of cyclists.

A disappointing question.

Ian

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I couldn't agree more with this sentiment.
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Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

Postby Mark1978 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:34 am

MichVanNic wrote:[
If you are approaching walkers etc why can't you slow down?


Why do you assume that I do not? The encounters I was referring to happened at walking pace. And I'm not a mountain biker!
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Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

Postby Flinders » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:25 pm


Accusing the behaviour of the dog as being aggressive and threatening is just ridiculous - the dog was showing play behaviour (barking is NOT a sign of aggression). I cannot understand quite why you felt threatened by the dog. Your bad language so quickly almost certainly made the situation far worse than it needed to have been. OK, the owner should have held the dog as you passed but I can see how your attitude would get her back up to be uncooperative.

Ian


You are 100% wrong there. That is clear evidence of a dog totally out of control in a public place, and posing a public danger. the cyclist can't advance on their bike without risking hitting the dog and being knocked off their bike. The person with the dog has no business to be in charge a dog at all. There was nothing playful about it's behavior. And of course barking can be a sign of aggression.
Why did the person not put the dog on the lead? Because they had no control over it. QED.
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Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:07 pm

Hi,
On my last but one trip out on my usual training ground.
Two dogs in the road (single track, national cycle route) they see me and both come towards me barking, one growls at me (farm dogs) as I have dogs and have encountered before I shout loudly and try to pass.
One is behind me and gives up (I am at a walking pace) the other backs down the road about 50 - 70 yards constantly barking I keep shouting at it loudly, backing it into farm entrance, they I try to get away but dog is persistant, he finally gives up and I am on my way again.

If I did not shout at dog they were probably going to bite my heels or they would be under my wheel / bring me off.

I have been chased by one of these dogs several times this year.

The owners are not there as they are farm dogs, they come and go as they please.

What would you do :?:

As I own male large dogs for over twenty years I know what to do but stopping does not make them go away.
I confront them and shout at them as I know the farmer would do the same.

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Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

Postby Psamathe » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:00 pm

Flinders wrote:
Psamathe wrote:Accusing the behaviour of the dog as being aggressive and threatening is just ridiculous - the dog was showing play behaviour (barking is NOT a sign of aggression). I cannot understand quite why you felt threatened by the dog. Your bad language so quickly almost certainly made the situation far worse than it needed to have been. OK, the owner should have held the dog as you passed but I can see how your attitude would get her back up to be uncooperative.

Ian


You are 100% wrong there. That is clear evidence of a dog totally out of control in a public place, and posing a public danger. the cyclist can't advance on their bike without risking hitting the dog and being knocked off their bike. The person with the dog has no business to be in charge a dog at all. There was nothing playful about it's behavior. And of course barking can be a sign of aggression.
Why did the person not put the dog on the lead? Because they had no control over it. QED.

An aggressive bark is different from that in the video. The dog's manner is not that of being aggressive. Look at its mouth. Look at its tail (which would be held completely differently for any of the aggressive behaviours). If the dog were being aggressive it would have been paying far more attention to the cyclist and not wandering off when the bike was stationary. That is would rush back when the bike moved and wander off when the bike was stationary shows it is more of a chase behaviour rather than an aggressive behaviour.

Maybe the owner should have held the dog whilst the cyclist moved off but the way the rider got angry and started using bad language would have got my back-up as well and I would have been less inclined to cooperate.

In fact the cyclist was being more aggressive than the dog. Good way to get cyclists a bad reputation in my opinion. An the more people start telling their friends about the "horrid lycra louts", bad language, etc., the less cooperation we get, the less consideration drivers give, etc.

Being pleasant gets you cooperation. Being nasty does not.

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