Boris' backie
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There is at least one case on what it means for a bicycle to be "adapted" for carrying passengers. A few years ago someone was prosecuted for carrying a child on a saddle they had stuck onto the top tube with sticky tape. The case was not contested, so it doesn't set legal precedent. But it tends to suggest "adapted" is interpreted as meaning "properly adapted", some ad hoc solution like putting a cushion on the back-rack doesn't count.
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As my back rack is specifically advertised for giving lifts, I'd be willing to give it a go. I'm pretty sure the police will stop the surprising number around here who give lifts on their handlebars before they argue the toss with me... but it's generally simpler if the other person rides their own bike so they can go off independently if needed. If they're somewhere without a bike and want one, I can put the folding bike on the rack or in the trailer.
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Then surely it is... "...adapted for the carriage of more than one person"mjr wrote:As my back rack is specifically advertised for giving lifts...
How do the police decide what is and what isn't?
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iviehoff wrote:There is at least one case on what it means for a bicycle to be "adapted" for carrying passengers. A few years ago someone was prosecuted for carrying a child on a saddle they had stuck onto the top tube with sticky tape. The case was not contested, so it doesn't set legal precedent. But it tends to suggest "adapted" is interpreted as meaning "properly adapted", some ad hoc solution like putting a cushion on the back-rack doesn't count.
I *think* that it was one of the normal kid saddles, but had tape around the mount as well
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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Boris was very polite with his 'night night'.
Motorists and pedestrians are often very keen to let cyclists know when they are breaking the letter of the law.
It's odd that many people expect cyclists to be totally and utterly law abiding while they seem to tolerate other road users, especially motorists, breaking rules whenever they choose.
Perhaps Boris had decided he was entitled to break the law as he is an experienced cyclists who can decide how to ride better than our lawmakers.
This type of argument is often put forward by motorists who choose to break speed limits or parking rules.
Motorists and pedestrians are often very keen to let cyclists know when they are breaking the letter of the law.
It's odd that many people expect cyclists to be totally and utterly law abiding while they seem to tolerate other road users, especially motorists, breaking rules whenever they choose.
Perhaps Boris had decided he was entitled to break the law as he is an experienced cyclists who can decide how to ride better than our lawmakers.
This type of argument is often put forward by motorists who choose to break speed limits or parking rules.
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blackbike wrote:Motorists and pedestrians are often very keen to let cyclists know when they are breaking the letter of the law.
And ironically thereby themselves often break http://highwaycode.info/rule/147
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[XAP]Bob wrote:I *think* that it was one of the normal kid saddles, but had tape around the mount as well
It was a saddle intended for that purpose. But the picture I saw showed it crudely and insecurely attached with tape.
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iviehoff wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:I *think* that it was one of the normal kid saddles, but had tape around the mount as well
It was a saddle intended for that purpose. But the picture I saw showed it crudely and insecurely attached with tape.
You can't tell what was under the tape - I was hoping that it had been attached...
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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It has been an offence since at least the Road Traffic Act 1960 (see section 13 of http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eli ... 16/enacted).
More background info here, including figures showing how few people are prosecuted or fined for this somewhat trifling offence: https://www.ctc.org.uk/blog/davidmurray ... ife-backie
More background info here, including figures showing how few people are prosecuted or fined for this somewhat trifling offence: https://www.ctc.org.uk/blog/davidmurray ... ife-backie
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One view is that this is OK because in Holland they do it all the time.
IMO, this is another aspect of the current HGV drivers' blindspots thread. In Holland they seem to keep cyclists away from much of the traffic danger, but here we don't.
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IMO, this is another aspect of the current HGV drivers' blindspots thread. In Holland they seem to keep cyclists away from much of the traffic danger, but here we don't.
viewtopic.php?p=922513#p922513
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I must admit to not knowing it was illegal - not that I'm likely to give anyone a backie these days, I value my hard earned energy far too much.
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You wouldn't see the Chinese riding two on one bike!
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I think all the above is another days discussion and £300 claimed at the House of Fraud.
More subsidised grub and wine m'Laud? And for you,Lord Coke(not Cola darhlin)?
More subsidised grub and wine m'Laud? And for you,Lord Coke(not Cola darhlin)?
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iviehoff wrote:There is at least one case on what it means for a bicycle to be "adapted" for carrying passengers. A few years ago someone was prosecuted for carrying a child on a saddle they had stuck onto the top tube with sticky tape. ...
Anyone wishing to re-examine this will find the related thread here.
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Heltor Chasca wrote:............I'm no politician or conservative supporter but I've always liked Boris. He knows how to have fun and I guess so does his wife! Good on him for being so restrained with all those interfering, controlling numpties................
For what it's worth, I think that's about where I stand on the matter...................