very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

[old_windbag]

Ascidian if I were cycling the great north road as you do I'd also continue to use the road.... it seems badly thought out from the view I saw from the bus. Actually on the Arriva buses I've used ( from rural area into newcastle ) I've found them to be pretty relaxed when waiting to pass cyclists.... in fact the only times I've seen them get angry has been with cars in the bus lane and also a car who brake tested the bus as he did not like being tooted at for being in the bus lane. These were all on great north road as well.

AndrewK on a cycle path along Newcastles quayside I encountered what I consider poor path design but I think the attribution of this walkway as a cycle path came after it was built. The lamp standards have been put in central to the path/quay, this is a broad path but gets very busy at weekends with hotel users/revellers and anglers. So its easy to be blind to the black lampposts in the centre of the path when there are many moving objects to dodge. They should have been placed at the quay railings with different downlighters, as I say the architects may have designed without knowing it would become a cycle path. The image is below-

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/05/17/1051733_11208fcf.jpg

I decided to use the main road as this path seemed more hazardous and also limited speed.

[Elizabethsdad]

Plenty of examples in Southampton where the council has routed a shred use path through a bus stop - cos that really helps on busy morning on the commute in.

[GrumpyCyclist]

This is interesting as something similar is happening in newcastle. I was on the bus yesterday travelling down through Gosforth in Newcastle, a suburb with quite busy urban dual carriageway. The road is only 30mph though and the two lanes tend to have sections of bus lane mixed in. They've now decided to put in a cycle lane so the road is two lanes of traffic plus cycle lane. The cycle lane comes and goes as there are bus stops where it seems to either leave the main road and go in front or behind the bus stop then return to the road. The Glasgow bus stop situation seems to reflect this routing that I observed.... but the shelters on the route I saw are long term stops not to be moved. There are also bizarre curved lumps in the road every 2mtres or so seperating bikes and cars. I've tried to find a photo of this bizarre lump but cannot so far, they look like an accident waiting to happen I'd not like to hit one with a bike wheel but I think they are there to stop cars parking in the bike lane/ crossing into and maybe also to free up the bus lane from cyclists... I think. Its hard to get into the mindset of urban planners but I'm sure some cycling experts must have been consulted somewhere down the line.
To view it from the top deck of the bus had me concerned as it seemed on the road, off the road, on the road etc and to my eyes there were too many areas of mixed hazards from bus stops to pedestrians going to get in their cars. It may work..... but it may work to put people off using it too. Cars and bikes should be able to mix without such measures, the bottom line is we're all just humans using a machine to propel us so why is it so difficult... it's we who control those machines not the other way around.

UPDATE: the lump in the road looks like one of these below:-

http://en.zicla.com/public/img/140121_separador-carril-bic-plastico-reciclado.jpeg

quite big too.

UPDATE No2: I've found a link to an image of the real items on the road in Gosforth, it seems they cause others concern too, very strange shape and quite large

http://cl.ly/image/0k0Z1w3F0O0O/11391557_1054922674536982_2683801170763386697_n.jpg

Similar stuff appearing around Manchester apparently http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/salford-armadillos-fail-spectacularly.html

And they don't seem too successful

[661-Pete]

Plenty of examples in Southampton where the council has routed a shred use path through a bus stop - cos that really helps on busy morning on the commute in.

Delightfully apt typo there! If you're not careful, cycling up to this bus stop, that's how you might end up....

[MikeF]

But here in Glasgow the cycle lane has now been re routed around the back of the bus shelter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33655667

BUT by taking away nearly all of the pedestrian space! If I were a pedestrian there I would now be complaining.
So much for Commonwealth Games regeneration money being wisely spent!

[mercalia]

But here in Glasgow the cycle lane has now been re routed around the back of the bus shelter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33655667

BUT by taking away nearly all of the pedestrian space! If I were a pedestrian there I would now be complaining.
So much for Commonwealth Games regeneration money being wisely spent!

why oh why not put the shelter way back from the road - the bus drivers I suppose dont need to be so wide awake to see if any one wants to get one?

[Cunobelin]

Still not a patch on Fareham's "Cycle in" Tesco!

[TonyR]

UPDATE: the lump in the road looks like one of these below:-

http://en.zicla.com/public/img/140121_separador-carril-bic-plastico-reciclado.jpeg

quite big too.

They're called Armadillos and seem to be the new fashion in segregation on-the-cheap, not that they survive being hit by a car tyre too well. Some of them are now being protected by bollards which seems to defeat the object. https://departmentfortransport.wordpres ... structure/

Bike lanes going behind bus stops seems to be TRL's latest cunning plan. http://www.trl.co.uk/solutions/sustaina ... op-bypass/

[MikeF]

But here in Glasgow the cycle lane has now been re routed around the back of the bus shelter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33655667

BUT by taking away nearly all of the pedestrian space! If I were a pedestrian there I would now be complaining.
So much for Commonwealth Games regeneration money being wisely spent!

why oh why not put the shelter way back from the road - the bus drivers I suppose dont need to be so wide awake to see if any one wants to get one?

In the example in my post that doesn't solve the problem. If the bus shelter is moved back passengers boarding or alighting from the bus will have to cross the cycle lane. If there are many this will block the cycle lane and be a hazard. Also moving the bus shelter back will block the pavement for pedestrians.

The layout needs a complete redesign, but of course the money's already been spent so a paint job is all that can be afforded.

[rmurphy195]

Here in Birmingham they build the cycle lanes through the bus stops - and lampposts, tress, advertising hoardings, bollards and anything else that happens to be there!