Tonyf33 wrote: we can see EVERYTHING that we need to see to know there was only one person at fault here and that wasn't the cyclist.
I was not trying to imply otherwise. I certainly wasn't trying to blame the cyclists.
Tonyf33 wrote: we can see EVERYTHING that we need to see to know there was only one person at fault here and that wasn't the cyclist.
Vorpal wrote:Tonyf33 wrote: we can see EVERYTHING that we need to see to know there was only one person at fault here and that wasn't the cyclist.
I was not trying to imply otherwise. I certainly wasn't trying to blame the cyclists.
Frankly, the video is shocking, but we don't know the road, what happened before the incident, or anything else that isn't in the video.
Tonyf33 wrote:Vorpal wrote:Tonyf33 wrote:so hang on, it sounds like most of you are blaming the cyclist here..WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU!!!
The HGV comes thundering past UNDERTAKING whilst driving over the chevrons with not enough space to get past at a ridiculous speed, basically couldn't be buttocked to overtake or made a late decision not come off the off ramp.
The cyclist wants to move over into the inside lane which IF he had actually moved over he'd be dead
For those of you saying he probably shouldn't be there, how do you know what is acceptable in that country, do you say that a cyclist in this country on a d/c shouldn't be there because of fast moving motorvehicles?
I don't think anyone is blaming the cyclists. Maybe suggesting some things that could have been done to avoid the incident, but that's not blame. Frankly, the video is shocking, but we don't know the road, what happened before the incident, or anything else.
Well actually we do, we can see everything I've described,
we can see that a mirror would have made no difference, we can see that the HGV crosses the chevrons illegally, we can see that the HGV undertakes at a ridiculous speed, we can see that the HGV passes far too close to a vulnerable road user at a point of the road where there is no space nor suitable by any stretch of the imagination, we can see that the cyclists hold their line, we can see that the HGV collides with the cyclists and injures one of them, we can see that the HGV doesn't stop, we can see EVERYTHING that we need to see to know there was only one person at fault here and that wasn't the cyclist.
Paulatic wrote:I still take issue when you say "the cyclists hold their line" if that is so then why limply stick your hand out to suggest to anyone behind that your intention is to move to the right?