SA_SA_SA wrote:mjr wrote:Awww and we so nearly got to two pages before someone posted an out of touch comment about staying on the road. I'm sure that would help because it's not like any motorist ever pulls out of a side road across a give way line and into a bike
No one said it was impossible, just less likely compared to the pictured two way roadside cycle track (which seems fairly self-evident IMO).
Are you sure? Street view makes it look like a pretty nasty fast sweeping exit curve and I suspect any motorist approaching that junction is going to be looking so far down the dual-carriageway that many will look right through and fail to see a bike on the A56 carriageway too, plus such a rider will feel under more pressure not to slow or stop if the motorist looks like they're going to fail to give way.
EDIT: I just searched for collision reports: nine cycle-involved collisions very near that junction
http://www.cyclestreets.net/collisions/ ... clists=Yes (all slight, happily) and AIUI 6 motorists primarily to blame, of which 6 cyclists that were on the carriageway. (3 cyclists with primary blame, of which 2 were on the carriageway.) Without knowing proportions of riders on carriageway and cycleway, it's hard to say much other than noting that collisions have happened on the carriageway there too.
In general, that area looks like a bit of an uncoordinated dog's dinner with no real plan for how traffic should flow, but maybe it's a work in progress... I've not ridden that particular bit of Manchester and I think I'm glad
Also, as a philosophical aside, why segregate cyclists off the public road network
Why indeed? I don't think anyone is doing that. The road network is not only the carriageways, but cycleways and footways too, plus the carriageway should remain available for cycling as needed.
Sorry for slight drift but I feel I should dissuade campaigners from invoking such things (and mocking dissenters).
I wasn't mocking, but rolling my eyes despairingly at yet another instance of someone apparently blaming a crash victim for using a marked cycleway instead of the carriageway.
I've addressed the other points on the new topic.