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Withdrawn, as per TrevA's later post.
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TrevA wrote:So sad but there is really no need for her to have been on the road at that point. There's a perfectly adequate cycle path on that stretch of road. I'm not normally in favour of segregation but it makes sense on the constantly busy, 4 lane racetrack that is the Nottingham Ring Road.


What a contemptible piece of victim blaming. You can always claim that a crash wouldn't have happened if one of the participants had chosen a different route. You don't know any of the circumstances involved - which way she was travelling - whether she was ridng along the road or crossing it or maybe even using the pathetic excuse of a farcility you think she should have been using (or rather the pavement as there is no cycle path at that particular junction) - whether she was riding or pushing her bike - nothing except she was hit by a motorbike.
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With all the rights and wrongs we have had another death on our roads to some it's just numbers
to others.......RIP condolences to family and friends
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We have no details about this accident. We only know that an unfortunate woman has died and that a motorcycle was involved. We don't even know if the victim was riding her bike at the time, or just pushing it across the road. And most of us don't know much, if anything, about the road or nearby cycle facilities. So lets wait until we have better information before we launch into campaign mode.
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Pete Owens wrote:
TrevA wrote:So sad but there is really no need for her to have been on the road at that point. There's a perfectly adequate cycle path on that stretch of road. I'm not normally in favour of segregation but it makes sense on the constantly busy, 4 lane racetrack that is the Nottingham Ring Road.


What a contemptible piece of victim blaming. You can always claim that a crash wouldn't have happened if one of the participants had chosen a different route. You don't know any of the circumstances involved - which way she was travelling - whether she was ridng along the road or crossing it or maybe even using the pathetic excuse of a farcility you think she should have been using (or rather the pavement as there is no cycle path at that particular junction) - whether she was riding or pushing her bike - nothing except she was hit by a motorbike.


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JimL wrote: +1


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pwa wrote:We have no details about this accident. We only know that an unfortunate woman has died and that a motorcycle was involved. We don't even know if the victim was riding her bike at the time, or just pushing it across the road. And most of us don't know much, if anything, about the road or nearby cycle facilities. So lets wait until we have better information before we launch into campaign mode.


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Point taken. Although I know the location and the road layout, I don't know the circumstances. i withdraw my previous comments.
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Quick look on Street view and i can see no signed cycle route at the junction mentioned in the article, but what appears to be a 4 landed DC that dips into an underpass, and what appears to be a side road/service road that runs parallel and is segregated from the main DC..... there is no left turn sign as you approach the side road, and left turn only sign as you exit.

As with so many accidents it is hard to speculate without full facts.
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Pete Owens wrote:nothing except she was hit by a motorbike.

And even that isn't necessarily obvious - there was a collision, and the motorbike almost certainly brought more energy to the party, but who hit whom has not yet been established.
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eileithyia wrote:Quick look on Street view and i can see no signed cycle route at the junction mentioned in the article, but what appears to be a 4 landed DC that dips into an underpass, and what appears to be a side road/service road that runs parallel and is segregated from the main DC..... there is no left turn sign as you approach the side road, and left turn only sign as you exit.

As with so many accidents it is hard to speculate without full facts.


It's the junction of the Nottm Ring Road and the A52. The Ring Road goes under the A52 in an underpass. If heading southbound, there's a left filter lane to take you to the traffic island where you can go left towards Nottm, or right towards Derby. There's a shared use cycle path next to both the southbound and northbound carraigeways, there's a toucan crossing right next to the island and one about 200 yards further north.

The incident looks to have happened before the road went under the underpass. Looking at where the motorbike ended up, it's about 100 yards after the northernmost toucan crossing. (photos confirm it was on the southbound carraigeway).

The collision may have occured on the Toucan crossing (pure speculation).
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TrevA wrote:The collision may have occured on the Toucan crossing (pure speculation).


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