Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!
Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!
I genuinely didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!
The road in question is a 20mph road in Richmond park, where I cycle regularly. They had lasers out the other day, however I assumed this was for cars....
The guy was caught at 41mph and was fined £65, issued a surcharge of £20 and £65 costs - total of £150!
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/s ... 99781.html
The road in question is a 20mph road in Richmond park, where I cycle regularly. They had lasers out the other day, however I assumed this was for cars....
The guy was caught at 41mph and was fined £65, issued a surcharge of £20 and £65 costs - total of £150!
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/s ... 99781.html
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They can't for the most part. Except in the Royal Parks. Even though there was an article a while ago claiming they didn't have the right?
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Richmond park (and the other Royal parks I believe) are subject to special by-laws including one which imposes a speed limit on cyclists. This is not the case on ordinary public roads. So the Park authorities are perfectly within their rights in prosecuting the cyclist for speeding. Whether a cyclist could have a defence in that it is not mandatory to carry a computer or similar, so a cyclist may not know what speed they are doing - well that's debatable. Probably one for the legal experts!
All I know is, I've done a few rides in RP and I've been warned about this. Not that I'm the most likely person to break the speed limit!
All I know is, I've done a few rides in RP and I've been warned about this. Not that I'm the most likely person to break the speed limit!
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Older thread with links to even earlier ones discussing ambiguities in the wordings of the bye-laws.
I'd guess it remains untested in a courtroom.
I'd guess it remains untested in a courtroom.
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If it was tested, it wouldn't stand up.gaz wrote:I'd guess it remains untested in a courtroom.
There isn't a speed limit for running.
Mick F. Cornwall
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I do not know whether Rory Palmer received any legal advice before choosing to enter a guilty plea.
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Bike aren't required by law to have speedometers so how can they enforce this. Any lawyer worth his salt would have that thrown out.
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By a similar logic "I put it to you m'lud that my client cannot be guilty of drink driving, as his car is not fitted with any device for measuring the alcohol content of his body"
I missed linking a more recent thread suggesting it's not just Royal Parks where cyclists may face enforceable speed limits.
I missed linking a more recent thread suggesting it's not just Royal Parks where cyclists may face enforceable speed limits.
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Yes, Gaz, that's common sense and a good analogy.
The thing is, if a cyclist was going "fast" he and everyone else would know and it would be obvious that he was breaking the rules.
However, if there's a 5mph speed limit and the cyclist is doing 6 or 7mph (especially that people can speed walk that fast), he'd be breaking the rules, but who would notice other than someone with a radar gun? Ditto, if someone had a pint and drove a car, who would notice other than someone with a breathalyser?
The thing is, if a cyclist was going "fast" he and everyone else would know and it would be obvious that he was breaking the rules.
However, if there's a 5mph speed limit and the cyclist is doing 6 or 7mph (especially that people can speed walk that fast), he'd be breaking the rules, but who would notice other than someone with a radar gun? Ditto, if someone had a pint and drove a car, who would notice other than someone with a breathalyser?
Mick F. Cornwall
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i thought u could be done for cycling furiously or some such on public roads
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Dangerous d icing even, but cycling fast isn't significantly dangerous
Similarly drunk driving applies, but the numerical limits only apply to motor vehicles. You have to not be able to control your bike (and frankly that's generally self limiting)
Similarly drunk driving applies, but the numerical limits only apply to motor vehicles. You have to not be able to control your bike (and frankly that's generally self limiting)
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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Just be careful what you get up to, illegal use of camera tripod.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... he-law-won
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... he-law-won
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Cycling furiously is just that, cycling furiously.mercalia wrote:i thought u could be done for cycling furiously or some such on public roads
Cycling fast isn't a crime, but breaking the speed limit in a royal park is against the rules. No doubt you could have a very low gear ratio and be cycling very furiously indeed but still within the speed limit.
Mick F. Cornwall
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Mick F wrote:Cycling furiously is just that, cycling furiously.mercalia wrote:i thought u could be done for cycling furiously or some such on public roads
Cycling fast isn't a crime, but breaking the speed limit in a royal park is against the rules. No doubt you could have a very low gear ratio and be cycling very furiously indeed but still within the speed limit.
I think someone also got fined/ told off by an officer for wobbling too much while going up hill
I'm also thinking the guy in the article was overtaking cars, who have speedos and should be doing 20mph. So if he is overtaking then he's asking for trouble.
For future rides; I'm going to stop overtaking cars and instead sit behind them to rest my legs