aspiringcyclist wrote:
This reminds of these images, showing Dutch cyclists being overlaid on British roads.
Totally brilliant - thanks.
Bez sums it up too, better than I ever could http://singletrackworld.com/columns/201 ... -some-guy/
aspiringcyclist wrote:
This reminds of these images, showing Dutch cyclists being overlaid on British roads.
TonyR wrote:
And this will do nothing to help your six year old unless they like getting off and pushing as soon as they leave the super-highway or even on the bits up around KX.
Richard Fairhurst wrote:I think this debate is a couple of days late for Groundhog Day.
aspiringcyclist wrote:I'm fairly sure not being around HGVs not fitted with guards is safer than being around HGVs fitted with guards.
Where is the evidence that 'safety in numbers' is a real phenomenon?
The fact is cycling in the Netherlands was marginalised post war up to the 1970s until a turning away from car-centric policies, something we never had in Britain. Could it be feasible that the increase in cycling was due to the safer cycling conditions, not the other way round?
[/quote]Clearly cycling infrastructure has to start somewhere, or else you could use that excuse to stop anything being built.
This reminds of these images, showing Dutch cyclists being overlaid on British roads.
TonyR wrote:[quote=But what you have missed with those pictures is that in Dutch city centres the cyclists are on the road and the motorists are controlled so you should not only edit in the cyclists on the road but edit out the trucks and most of the cars.
honesty wrote:Part of this change is we need to affect how people drive around and with people on bikes, for example turning across cycle lanes without checking - it'll take many many years for this to percolate into society.
Postboxer wrote:TonyR wrote:[quote=But what you have missed with those pictures is that in Dutch city centres the cyclists are on the road and the motorists are controlled so you should not only edit in the cyclists on the road but edit out the trucks and most of the cars.
I think that's the point isn't it?
honesty wrote:Part of this change is we need to affect how people drive around and with people on bikes, for example turning across cycle lanes without checking - it'll take many many years for this to percolate into society.
TonyR wrote:aspiringcyclist wrote:I'm fairly sure not being around HGVs not fitted with guards is safer than being around HGVs fitted with guards.
Not necessarily as all segregated networks have to unsegregate around junctions and side roads.
The segregated cycle lanes in Bloomsbury and on Royal College St both had high accident rates for cyclists at the side roads in particular and putting stop lines across the cycle lane was seen as the only solution to cyclists being hit by turning motorists at Byng Place. See for example https://consultations.wearecamden.org/c ... provements
Where is the evidence that 'safety in numbers' is a real phenomenon?
Jacobsen P. Safety in numbers: more walkers and bicyclists, safer walking and bicycling. Injury Prevention vol. 9 pp 205-209, 2003 ( http://ip.bmjjournals.com/cgi/reprint/9/3/205).
http://www.ctc.org.uk/sites/default/fil ... _rpt_0.pdf
The fact is cycling in the Netherlands was marginalised post war up to the 1970s until a turning away from car-centric policies, something we never had in Britain. Could it be feasible that the increase in cycling was due to the safer cycling conditions, not the other way round?
No because what increase there was happened before the construction of the cycle facilities and during and since their construction cycling hasn't increased.
TonyR wrote:honesty wrote:Part of this change is we need to affect how people drive around and with people on bikes, for example turning across cycle lanes without checking - it'll take many many years for this to percolate into society.
And do you think that will happen faster if cyclists are segregated away in their ghettos where motorists don't have to think about them or where cyclists are mixed in with other traffic so motorists are constantly reminded of their presence and required to learn to interact with them?
Mark1978 wrote:The only time cycling modal share has had any big impact is when there is the infrastructure to support it.
Mark1978 wrote:I do despair when people trot out the same old things about cycling with heavy traffic being fine etc.