Signage concerns at a junction in Oxford.

[iviehoff]

I know some other junctions that work well when the traffic lights break down. It's ironic really. Usually the reason they work badly with the lights is because some directions don't get enough time, a combination of lots of pedestrian time and traffic time inefficiently shared between the directions. But without the lights there is plenty of time for peds to cross between the cars when they will (as they do anyway), and traffic to proceed at its will. Clearly many junctions do need lights to share out the time between the directions, but there are many places where peds and traffic can share it themselves much better. There's a couple of junctions I know in Camden, which segregated cycle lanes and ped crossings at ajct, where they couldn't make it work with the lights and they finally took them out to great relief making it a normal cross roads with give ways and zebras, I wish they would be brave enough to do that more often.

[jochta]

BTW the changes at this junction are part of the Frideswide Square changes coming soon. See...

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/cont ... -station-0

And the plan of the new layout...

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/site ... rawing.pdf

[Bonefishblues]

BTW the changes at this junction are part of the Frideswide Square changes coming soon. See...

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/cont ... -station-0

And the plan of the new layout...

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/site ... rawing.pdf

I can't quite get my head around why it's connected to St F re-re-redevelopment tbh.

[iviehoff]

It's ridiculous calling it St Frideswide Sq, or at least with that spelling. I realise that it is the spelling used locally for the cathedral, but the more widely preferred, and more helpful, spelling is Frithuswith. With that, people have a chance to pronounce it sensibly. They look at Frideswide and come out with some horror like "fried swide" - you can hardly envisage her as the Princess she was by calling her that.

[Richard Fairhurst]

It's been remodelled recently. It's basically a 4-way crossroad traffic-light controlled junction now. But motorists still have to turn left from Hythe Bridge Street. Cyclists are permitted to go straight across into George Street despite all the signage indicating otherwise. The Google Streetview is out of date, the island with barriers is no longer there.

I've posted a photo I took yesterday: http://cycle.travel/city/oxford/news/ox ... s_cyclists

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I saw a couple of less confident cyclists give up on the junction and push their bikes across the pelican crossing while I was there.

[iviehoff]

It's been remodelled recently. It's basically a 4-way crossroad traffic-light controlled junction now. But motorists still have to turn left from Hythe Bridge Street. Cyclists are permitted to go straight across into George Street despite all the signage indicating otherwise. The Google Streetview is out of date, the island with barriers is no longer there.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I saw a couple of less confident cyclists give up on the junction and push their bikes across the pelican crossing while I was there.

Well, what's wrong with that? I take my bicycle across a pelican crossing every morning to get across the Marylebone Road in London into a particular area of backstreets. There is provision to do it as a road user, if you don't mind crossing 3 lanes of traffic to get into the segregated right turning lane. But most cyclists just use the Pelican, it's a lot safer and only takes 3 seconds longer.

[Richard Fairhurst]

What's wrong with it, really, is that the junction used to be better. Yes, it's far from the only bad junction, but we should be past "taking an ok junction and making it more dangerous for cyclists" by now.

There's one or two reports on the OCC Fixmystreet site: http://fixmystreet.oxfordshire.gov.uk/a ... dge+street

[jochta]

They've painted a box in the middle of the road for cyclists now for them to wait in before turning "right".

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/117984 ... clists___/

[blackbike]

but we will be introducing a ‘storage area’ in the middle of the junction to provide an area for them to wait for traffic to clear before they proceed.”

Cyclists are traffic.

[Bonefishblues]

but we will be introducing a ‘storage area’ in the middle of the junction to provide an area for them to wait for traffic to clear before they proceed.”

Cyclists are traffic.

Ah but does traffic get a special box all of its very own? Road planners do some odd things, don't they?

[Vorpal]

Well, there are worse ways to put cyclists in boxes, but it does give others a good idea what they think of us.

[Mistik-ka]

They've painted a box in the middle of the road for cyclists now for them to wait in before turning "right".

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/117984 ... clists___/

Looks suicidal! I'll be routing well away from that intersection when I'm next in Oxford. (Which is a pity, since Oxford as a whole provides the best urban cycling I've experienced.)

[Pete Owens]

I cant see why folk are still making a fuss. OK it was potentially confusing when the right turn movement was in a straight on direction - though this is not at all unusual in cases where there is a junction with a minor road at a bend. Painting the waiting box seems a perfectly sensible solution.

This permits cyclists to make a manoevre that motor traffic is prohibited from - a thing which is to be welcomed.