And all she got was a penalty charge notice

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Last car that got dumped (untaxed battered pile of rust) down our cul de sac right outside our house where my son parks up I towed/dragged it into the middle of the street still with its handbrake still on. This was about 11:45pm, by 1am the police had a transporter shifting it as it was blocking the street. 8)
No way was I going to wait months and months for the council to shift it..
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Mick F wrote:Part of the wording says the car was lifted, but if you watch the video, they rolled it backwards.

Was the handbrake not on?
Was it not left in gear?
Did someone break in and release the handbrake and put it in neutral?
I can't see the video link, but you can bounce a car to move it even if it is in gear and the handbrake on, and with that number of people it should have been very easy with that small car.
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MikeF wrote: I can't see the video link, but you can bounce a car to move it even if it is in gear and the handbrake on, and with that number of people it should have been very easy with that small car.

Might be small but it weighs about 1250kg and has hard, well damped suspension so doesn't bounce well at all.
Not like the old days where a couple of guys could easily bounce your average 900kg Ford Escort down the street...
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beardy wrote:It doesnt take many men to take enough weight off the back wheels that you can move it with the handbrake on.


Not all cars - I have driven a car with front wheel handbrake.

The local tyre and brake shop hated it...
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It wasn't bounced, it was rolled backwards. You can see the wheels turning, so it wasn't slid either.
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I thought this was as good a place as any to, er, park this. :oops:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30591166

This bit caught my eye:

West Midlands Police said officers (sic) were there for a reassuring presence only and to prevent a breach of the peace.


Who were they reassuring? One of the pics shows a police van apparently parked in an area where parking is tightly controlled. (Before anybody points it out, I do know the van will have been exempt from the parking regs.)
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TBH IMO,£35 is enough to pay for parking illegally,though parking in a disabled parking place should be more,perhaps £50+points.
Parking causing an obstruction(such as the one in the OP) however should cost £100+points IMHO,and if not removed within an hour should be towed.
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thirdcrank wrote: One of the pics shows a police van apparently parked in an area where parking is tightly controlled. (Before anybody points it out, I do know the van will have been exempt from the parking regs.)


When I was driving for the Olympics one of the VIPs I looked after was severely disabled after a stroke. I parked up on the double yellows outside a venue to let them and their carers out and was immediately approached by the police to tell me I couldn't stop there. After a somewhat heated discussion in which I said I was not moving until my passenger was out and in their wheelchair, they threatened to book me. I simply pointed out that it wouldn't look too good in the media that they had booked an Olympics driver dropping off a severely disabled VIP on double yellow lines because their police van was parked up in the only disabled parking bay. They condescended to let me off provided I finished what I was doing quickly.
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I am not sure how the law goes on that one. I was taking a disabled person in my car to Mold Court and we stopped at the disabled bay and I got her out of the car. Then some Court Official came and told me to move the car. The disabled person said that he couldnt do that as she had a blue badge (clearly visible in car windscreen) and she was entitled to leave her car there. He said that I wasnt disabled and I should move the car to the car park. She said that was irrelevant, she was disabled and was using that car.

She was talking about putting in a complaint but had more important things on her mind what with being at Court. I had no objection to walking the distance, I quite enjoy a little stroll.
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beardy

I am the driver for a blue badge holder - my mother. I've the booklet which came with the Blue Badge: The Blue Badge Scheme: rights and responsibilities in England. The first obvious point is that things may be different in Wales. One might be forgiven for thinking that the authorities are more keen on preventing alleged abuses of Blue Badges than, say, misuse of disabled parking bays.

A Blue Badge will help you to park close to your destination, either as a passenger or driver. However, the badge is intended for on-street parking only. Off-street car parks, such as those provided in local authority, hospital or supermarket car parks are governed by different rules.


My understanding is that a Blue Badge holder can park as a driver or passenger on yellow lines on a street, but not where there's also a loading ban, as a right conferred by the Blue Badge.

Elsewhere, it's unlawful to discriminate against the disabled and a Blue Badge is surely evidence of disability. So, had your parking bay been on street in England, the Blue Badge would have authorised you to park the car. If it were to be an off-street car park, then your passenger might have had grounds for an action for discrimination: I don't know.

The only place I've used - or rather my mother has used, her Blue Badge with me driving, has been to attend hospital appointments at Jimmy's in Leeds. The system there has worked well for us. This leads me to wonder what would have happened if, as in my mother's case, your passenger needed to be wheeled in a wheelchair by a carer and / or could not be left alone while their driver went off to park, even for a few moments. It's worth noting in this context that it seems some local authorities do not regard a diagnosis of even serious dementia as being a qualification for a Blue Badge.
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I've had a look on google to see if there's anything about parking at Mold Crown Court without success. That could be my lack of IT skills. I'll say with some confidence that the parking for the bigwigs will be ample.
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I know that at our local Tesco's, where there is a row of disabled bays, the supermarket are pretty hot on the heels of anyone using those bays without a badge - you often hear messages paging customers with a specified car reg. no. What they do with offenders I don't know, presumably they can't involve the police since it is private land, but I have noticed, of late, that hardly any badgeless cars are parked in the bays - it seems that most motorists have got the message!

As for this silly episode in Birmingham, well I can only expand on the old proverb: "A fool and his money are soon parted, but a fool and his car - never!"
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I always want those tannoy messages to shame the person a bit more. 'Would the driver of a black ford focus, registration number AB12 CDE please move it, as you've parked like a .......'
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thirdcrank wrote:I thought this was as good a place as any to, er, park this. :oops:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30591166

This bit caught my eye:

West Midlands Police said officers (sic) were there for a reassuring presence only and to prevent a breach of the peace.


Who were they reassuring? One of the pics shows a police van apparently parked in an area where parking is tightly controlled. (Before anybody points it out, I do know the van will have been exempt from the parking regs.)



THis one annoys m ein that he has got away with it...

They have waived the release fee.

Me I would have been clocking up the charges for the time
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thirdcrank wrote:beardy

I am the driver for a blue badge holder - my mother. I've the booklet which came with the Blue Badge: The Blue Badge Scheme: rights and responsibilities in England. The first obvious point is that things may be different in Wales. One might be forgiven for thinking that the authorities are more keen on preventing alleged abuses of Blue Badges than, say, misuse of disabled parking bays.

A Blue Badge will help you to park close to your destination, either as a passenger or driver. However, the badge is intended for on-street parking only. Off-street car parks, such as those provided in local authority, hospital or supermarket car parks are governed by different rules.


My understanding is that a Blue Badge holder can park as a driver or passenger on yellow lines on a street, but not where there's also a loading ban, as a right conferred by the Blue Badge.

Elsewhere, it's unlawful to discriminate against the disabled and a Blue Badge is surely evidence of disability. So, had your parking bay been on street in England, the Blue Badge would have authorised you to park the car. If it were to be an off-street car park, then your passenger might have had grounds for an action for discrimination: I don't know.

The only place I've used - or rather my mother has used, her Blue Badge with me driving, has been to attend hospital appointments at Jimmy's in Leeds. The system there has worked well for us. This leads me to wonder what would have happened if, as in my mother's case, your passenger needed to be wheeled in a wheelchair by a carer and / or could not be left alone while their driver went off to park, even for a few moments. It's worth noting in this context that it seems some local authorities do not regard a diagnosis of even serious dementia as being a qualification for a Blue Badge.
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I've had a look on google to see if there's anything about parking at Mold Crown Court without success. That could be my lack of IT skills. I'll say with some confidence that the parking for the bigwigs will be ample.



As you have said there are some additional rules.

One is quite common sense in that a disabled driver is not exempt form being censured for stupid parking. Park on a zigzag line, block an entrance, or block a road and you are still open to prosecution

Also local rules can remove your right to park... some courts have no parking outside for "security reasons", but this should be clearly posted
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Cunobelin wrote:.......Me I would have been clocking up the charges for the time


Spot on!

They have waived the release fee.....

Yep,unfortunately.
The disruption is ridiculous,she should've been arrested for causing a breach of the peace :evil: .
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