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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby BeeKeeper » Sat May 24, 2014 8:11 am

WMarkLancs wrote:Does anyone find it ironic that their biggest push is in the EU elections?

Yes, it's very odd, they are falling over themselves to join an organisation they want to leave! Still, Euro MPs are well paid.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby irc » Sat May 24, 2014 10:03 am

BeeKeeper wrote:
WMarkLancs wrote:Does anyone find it ironic that their biggest push is in the EU elections?

Yes, it's very odd, they are falling over themselves to join an organisation they want to leave! Still, Euro MPs are well paid.



Nothing new there. The SNP have always stood at Westminster elections.

If someone believes the UK would be better off outwith the EU why should they not have a party to vote for in the Euro elections?
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Bicycler » Sat May 24, 2014 11:06 am

Agreed, it would be perverse for them NOT to stand
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby TonyR » Sat May 24, 2014 11:06 am

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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Mick F » Sat May 24, 2014 11:13 am

I voted UKIP for two reasons.
1. I want us out of the EU and a return to the Common Market.
2. I want to put a bomb under the three main parties.

I don't want UKIP to govern this country, but I will keep voting for them until the other three parties listen.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby TonyR » Sat May 24, 2014 11:21 am

Mick F wrote:I voted UKIP for two reasons.
1. I want us out of the EU and a return to the Common Market.
2. I want to put a bomb under the three main parties.

I don't want UKIP to govern this country, but I will keep voting for them until the other three parties listen.


But why UKIP and not the somewhat more credible Monster Raving Loony Party?
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby beardy » Sat May 24, 2014 11:42 am

That is rather obvious.

It is about vote share, UKIP is becoming credible because it now has a significant vote share, MRLP doesnt.

The big two parties have got very complacent about the fact that they "own" their voters and you only have a choice between those two. UKIP are a victory for democracy, finally people have a choice (the difference between Labour and Conservative is hard to spot).

It seems most of the objectors to UKIP just dont like the idea of "the masses" having a different opinion to that which they should have.

UKIP may be the opposite end of the spectrum to my own views but I do have this niggling idea that I should value the nation's democracy above my own political leanings.

If cycling was the over-riding concern when voting, then we should, of course, all be voting Green, especially if in England for the local elections.
As nobody even mentioned the Greens, I guess we all dont actually put cycling first when voting and they know that.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Mick F » Sat May 24, 2014 11:46 am

Because MRLP have no chance of getting in, at least UKIP stand a chance.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Mick F » Sat May 24, 2014 11:51 am

................ also, if 51% of a constituency vote for one candidate, that candidate gets elected.
The 49% will never have their views considered again until the next election. Meanwhile they are ignored.

UKIP at least is a growing minority and it needs someone like them to kick the Con/Lab/Libs up their complacent bums.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby TonyR » Sat May 24, 2014 11:53 am

So what do you think of UKIP's economic policy?
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Mick F » Sat May 24, 2014 11:59 am

I don't give a stuff about their economic policies.
I think I heard that Farage said they don't have any policies yet.

They have no chance of forming a government to enact any policies, let alone an economic one.

Their only stated policy, and why they were formed, is to get UK out of the EU.
That'll do me.

Their only place in this world is to pressurise the existing parties into taking notice of what a growing minority are already thinking.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Bicycler » Sat May 24, 2014 12:01 pm

To be fair any potential domestic policies (the manifesto hasn't yet been released) for the General election in 2015 are irrelevant when considering the Euro or local elections.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby TrevA » Sat May 24, 2014 12:03 pm

TonyR wrote:So what do you think of UKIP's economic policy?


Do they actually have one? Was it written on the back of a fag packet by Nigel Farage, whilst waiting at the bar to be served his next pint? If it's anything like their (anti) cycling policy, then God help us.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby 661-Pete » Sat May 24, 2014 12:06 pm

May I remind you that the OP raised the question of a certain party's attitude towards cycling. That's why it's in On The Road (although Campaigning might have been better).

If this thread has drifted so far off the topic of cycling, as to degenerate into an angry political debate, perhaps it ought to go into the Cafe.

Or be locked. :evil:
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Bicycler » Sat May 24, 2014 12:07 pm

And I agree with Mick. We are not going to have a UKIP government after the next general election. However, if enough people vote for UKIP then the main political parties will have to start acknowledging the concerns people have.
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