Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

[pete75]

What's "Joint Enterprise Rules"? When do they apply? When not? Are these the rules wherein at a murder scene when more than one person is in attendance and no murderer identified,all persons can and are charged with murder?...As in,5 youths going down for a stabbing wherein no one will say who killed X? Or police cannot identify said perpetrator?

Applicable in this case?

Doesn't appear to be.

Criminal law generally only holds offenders liable for their own actions but, under the doctrine of joint enterprise, a person may be found guilty for another person's crime. Simple association or accidental presence during a crime is insufficient for a charge under joint enterprise. A suspect must knowingly assist or encourage the crime and agree to act together with the primary offender for a common purpose.

http://www.kaimtodner.com/law/what_is_joint_enterprise/

[Vantage]

The words just do not exist how I feel about this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enlYjxfR5Ic

[Samuel D]

The words just do not exist how I feel about this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enlYjxfR5Ic

That makes depressing viewing.

What a shambles of a prosecution. I have had few dealings with the justice system, but as an outsider I always imagined the people there to do their job conscientiously and in line with its social importance. Instead it seems they’re just as generally incompetent, work-shy, and morally bankrupt as the riff-raff that populates the bulk of private enterprise.

[irc]

So the crook looked like crook. Had multiple previous convictions. Was living on benefits. Had no respect for the court. Had a lawyer paid for by us. And got off with a slap on the wrist.

Go and sit in any court and you will see the same thing happening every day. 9 out of 10 (if not more) are regular offenders and treat it as a bit of a game. So when people complain that the UK puts too many people in jail I see people that haven't had to talk to the victims first hand.

[Vantage]

Off topic, but

Was living on benefits.

This sort of thinking needs to stop. Being on benefits doesn't make for a criminal or bad person. Maybe some of them are indeed just spongers, but that's no different to someone who turns up for work and spends all day sitting on their backside while their colleagues do all the work.

Had a lawyer paid for by us

This too. The working man/woman has no say in where his/her tax payments are being spent. Workers pay tax. End of.

[reohn2]

TBH,if I were Reginald Scot I'd be watching my back,recriminations could be in the pipeline .
The accused is scum,scum do scumish things and will be well known to the police,who may even be afraid of him.
The law is a joke,there's no justice,yes it's very depressing but not uncommon by any stretch of the imagination in modern day not so,Great Britain.

Oh how we laughed

[Paulatic]

I've sat on a jury once for two days and came away with the impression the whole thing is an expensive shambles. The prosecutor was a dithering wreck and couldn't even get to grips with playing back cctv footage yet alone a digital image from a computer. Despite her worst efforts we found the accused, who funnily enough came from Nottingham, guilty.
This case is more than a shambles it's an absolute disgrace if the resume is close to the truth.

[kwackers]

This sort of thinking needs to stop. Being on benefits doesn't make for a criminal or bad person. Maybe some of them are indeed just spongers, but that's no different to someone who turns up for work and spends all day sitting on their backside while their colleagues do all the work.

If only it was that simple.

I spent a long time living amongst folk who were stereotypical spongers and that guys description rings so many bells...
There's one thing about being on benefits that they all relied on and that's if you have no assets and are reliant on the state the courts have very little power. If that guy actually pays that fine I'd fall off my chair in surprise.
Folk like him are experts at playing the system, a system that only works for those with assets and a job both of which they'd rather not lose.

Whilst it's true to say benefits don't make for bad people conversely I reckon most bad folk are either on benefits or trying their damnedest to live "off the grid".

As for justice, it's a myth peddled by the law abiding classes who seem to have their heads buried fairly deeply in the sand.

[Postboxer]

Absolutely unbelievable! Can't believe a prosecutor hasn't even bothered to view the only evidence they have, and why oh why did they ask for the court to be lenient? More annoyingly we still don't have a name. Would be interesting to find out the prior convictions too.

[irc]

This sort of thinking needs to stop. Being on benefits doesn't make for a criminal or bad person.

Indeed. It's the other way round. Being a criminal leads to a life on benefits. The lack of respect for the law and other people doesn't make the most employable of people.

I'm not for one second saying everyone on benefits is a criminal.

This too. The working man/woman has no say in where his/her tax payments are being spent. Workers pay tax. End of.

I disagree. Elections are about choosing how our taxes are spent. People campaign on many issues to try and change govt spending choices.

[beardy]

It is a vicious circle with one leading to another. You can step on to it either from crime leading to poverty or poverty leading to crime.
I was surprised, I had imagined the driver to be an exec (or lawyer) with a sense of power and privilege rather than a benefits claimant. I was possibly swayed by the fact they were driving a big new Volvo. Not what you normally see parked outside the doors of the council estates in Nottingham.

[Postboxer]

Yes but it was a courtesy car, so their usual car could be anything.

[kwackers]

Yes but it was a courtesy car, so their usual car could be anything.

Probably an insurance replacement whilst their old car is at the garage having the previous cyclist removed.

[reohn2]

Yes but it was a courtesy car, so their usual car could be anything.

Every courtesy car I've used or seen has been a smallish HB of some kind,I've never been offered or heard of anyone being offered an SUV Volvo

There's a lot going on in this case that doesn't add up,and it's not on Mr Scot's side of things.
The police,CPS,charges,Magistates,etc.
All odd, and smacks of organised crime IMHO.

[Vorpal]

Yes but it was a courtesy car, so their usual car could be anything.

Probably an insurance replacement whilst their old car is at the garage having the previous cyclist removed.

Good one