Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

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pwa wrote:Prosecution with that evidence would seem so straightforward, unless there is uncertaintly about who was driving. I'd be surprised if this story doesn't have more to come.

I think it's more "can't be bothered".
Had the Volvo passed a yellow box at 36mph without hurting anyone they'd have been all over it like a bad rash and a prosecution and points would have ensued no problem.
That nothing happens when someone is injured (and apparently deliberately) shows at the very least the shortcomings of the system and potentially is an indication that it's 'not fit for purpose'.

We should expect better.
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One of the comments on youtube is from someone from BBC News Online, so hopefully they'll report on it.
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karlt wrote:
661-Pete wrote:Attempted murder. No other way to describe it. :(


You think the intent was specifically to kill?

Kill or seriously injure. OK, GBH if you'd rather.
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One point of detail occurs to me. When I was considering reporting a (comparatively minor) incident on 'Operation Crackdown' (Sussex Police reporting website) there were strict instructions: I can include video footage from youtube or similar, but it mustn't be made 'public'.

Now, if I recall, there are three different access levels for youtube, private, unlisted and public.

If the above video (can't access 'tube at present) was indeed made public from the start, would this have of itself hampered or prejudiced any police proceedings?
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This is outrageous. If the cyclist isn't in the CTC, maybe they could crowdfund a good specialist lawyer, they clearly need one.
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661-Pete wrote:One point of detail occurs to me. When I was considering reporting a (comparatively minor) incident on 'Operation Crackdown' (Sussex Police reporting website) there were strict instructions: I can include video footage from youtube or similar, but it mustn't be made 'public'.

Now, if I recall, there are three different access levels for youtube, private, unlisted and public.

If the above video (can't access 'tube at present) was indeed made public from the start, would this have of itself hampered or prejudiced any police proceedings?

I can see no reason why that should make any difference, provided no juror had seen it, which would be checked anyway.
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What are those white flashing lights on the car?
Also, I see from the later part of the video he seems to suggest that horse riders don't have this sort of thing happen, sadly, they do. Many horses have died being hit from behind, and some riders. :( There are fewer horses than cyclists on the road, so you don't hear of it as often.
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I assume the flashing lights are because all LEDs are flashing rather than continuous, just too quickly for us to see.
When seen through a camera with its own "flashing" of static pictures too quick for the eye to notice, it catches the LEDs on and off. Rather like the wagon wheels spinning backwards in old Westerns.
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I don’t see anything in the video suggesting the driver intended to hit the cyclist. So calling it an “attack” is unwarranted. I think it’s more likely the driver was negligent while changing lanes, reading a text message, or whatever they were doing at the moment of impact.

The outcome for the cyclist is much the same, and obviously the police aren’t doing themselves any favours by not prosecuting here. But the sentence would (and should) be different if there was no intent to cause harm.

It’s sickening to watch, and the ‘run’ bit of ‘hit and run’ is indefensible regardless of the reason for the ‘hit’ (itself likely indefensible in this case). It is hard to grasp how a driver can do that and flee the scene. Raised by dogs.
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beardy wrote:Owner says they were not driving it, police cant be bothered collecting difficult to find evidence that he (or whoever else) was.

IF the owner was not driving it, and refuses to give the name of the person who was driving it, then they cannot prove that the driver of the vehicle who committed the crime
a) had a licence
and
b) was insured

So the car was uninsured at the time of the attack. I don't know what they do in the UK but in Norway if you, as the owner of a vehicle let an unlicenced and/or uninsured driver use your vehicle then you will get a very large fine and maybe lose your own licence.
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The failing to stop bit is the worst part of it.
Nobody seemed to stop and go to the aid of the cyclist, several drivers must have seen it happen.

I just don't believe what the police are supposed to have claimed about not being able to do anything about this.
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Maybe we need a 'good samaritan' law like they have in other countries like France. The apparent failure of bystanders to react, in that other nasty hit-and-run in Brighton the other day, comes to mind - although there may be extenuating circumstances.
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I had assumed the appearance of flashing was a reflection of the cyclists rear flasher?
I think I read ,last week, the car was a courtesy car. If it's true then there must be a company which can become boycotted?
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Samuel D wrote:I don’t see anything in the video suggesting the driver intended to hit the cyclist. So calling it an “attack” is unwarranted. I think it’s more likely the driver was negligent while changing lanes, reading a text message, or whatever they were doing at the moment of impact.


Negligent??? Are you serious???

The cyclist was in full view of the driver from pulling up at the lights to the point of impact and beyond. This is blatantly obvious as the driver keeps his/her distance from pulling up at the lights, pulling away from the lights and following the cyclist all the way through the roundabout and at no point did that Volvo move in a way that suggested a lane change.
From the lights to the roundabout exit there were no straight sections of road so the driver would have had to be looking where they were going and in doing so would have known the cyclist was there. There is no point in accelerating (which the driver clearly did) unless the intention is to hit or manoeuvre around a stationary or slower moving object in front of you.
Negligence my buttock. That kind of thinking is what gets these lunatics the playschool punishments served in this country.
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Another instance of our caring police force.
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