Tonyf33 wrote:The roads are less safe now than they've been for yers and that's with the supposed 'safety' features and infra put in place.
What infra? What safety features?
I don't see any.
Tonyf33 wrote:The roads are less safe now than they've been for yers and that's with the supposed 'safety' features and infra put in place.
[XAP]Bob wrote:Tonyf33 wrote:The roads are less safe now than they've been for yers and that's with the supposed 'safety' features and infra put in place.
What infra? What safety features?
I don't see any.
Neilo wrote:pwa wrote:Cycling conditions are not worsening everywhere. Here in South Wales, at least in the areas I know best, things have got better. Close passing aggressive drivers are rarer, respectful drivers are more common, and I hardly ever have a car horn aimed at me.
Not in the part of South Wales where I ride. Close passing aggressive drivers are pretty common, Horn use, not so common.
Neil
Tonyf33 wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:Tonyf33 wrote:The roads are less safe now than they've been for yers and that's with the supposed 'safety' features and infra put in place.
What infra? What safety features?
I don't see any.
Oh come on, you can't ignore the fact that in London at least there have been changes, also around the country to a smaller degree certainly more than in previous years but if you're saying absolutely zero has been put in place in the whole of the UK then that points even more to the fact that cycling in numbers doesn't work and that CTC et al are failing us.
horizon wrote:I couldn't work out from the road.cc whether the number was from collisions with vehicles or bike-alone accidents. I would love to know the circumstances of these accidents: main roads, London streets, lorries, night-time etc. Even a building boom in London could affect the figures. I could also add that a big increase in fast road riding may have had an effect. How do we address the problem if we don't know the cause and what will be the point if the obvious causes (e.g. tipper lorries) are not going to be addressed anyway. At the moment we're just blind and then stupid.
iviehoff wrote:horizon wrote:I couldn't work out from the road.cc whether the number was from collisions with vehicles or bike-alone accidents. I would love to know the circumstances of these accidents: main roads, London streets, lorries, night-time etc. Even a building boom in London could affect the figures. I could also add that a big increase in fast road riding may have had an effect. How do we address the problem if we don't know the cause and what will be the point if the obvious causes (e.g. tipper lorries) are not going to be addressed anyway. At the moment we're just blind and then stupid.
The stats are road casualties from all causes. A link to the original government source was conveniently provided by OP.
Pete Owens wrote:It is likely that the supposed safety features (aka cycle paths) that have been appearing all over the place in the last few years have directly increased the crash statistics.
Pete Owens wrote:These are known to vastly increase the collision risk at junctions yet the enthusiasm to build more and more of them seems undiminished.
It is not surprising that a junction on one of Gilligan's new cycle-super-highways topped the list of cycle crash locations recently published in the Times.