reohn2 wrote:It's took me a while to compose myself after reading this. The sentence is utterly disgraceful. Not only will she be free in 2 to 21/2 years,she'll be driving again in 5years subject to passing her driving test. Is this what society deems to be appropriate punishment for this persons actions? If so it's despicable.
The only instance where a motorist while overtaking me collided with another vehicle, the offender was also a young woman aged not much over 20, I'd estimate - and bore a striking resemblance to the woman in this case. At least that accident didn't result in death or serious injury. I have a strong aversion to young motorists and this tragic case does nothing to raise my opinion of them. Something on the lines of compulsory responsible adult supervision of such drivers, or a governor fitted to their car, or a breathalyzer device in the car, or whatever. If we really can't raise the minimum driving age to 25, which is my preferred option. But as an oldie, I suppose I would say that.
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity. Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments... --- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
reohn2 wrote:The video shows that if you want to,you can catch people doing wrong. However if there's not police on the streets there's no chance of catching people,that is the position the UK is ATM. It's been deemed by politrickians that we can't afford to police the streets. Only last week a chief of one police force stated that if the proposed 2015 cuts go ahead his force will collapse and he can't guarantee it to be effective anymore.
Given that the Dispatches undercover operation recently showed how much time wasting, pratting about and generally micturate poor policing goes on I'm sure there are plenty of areas that can be tightened up to make (ALL) police forces more effcient financially (as well as operationally)...a lot more!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq9YiYzqmH4
I can only agree after seeing the mess conducted by the police on numerous occasions.
Sick of hearing whining from the public sector when it comes to cut backs, sort your carp out, become more efficient and do your jobs, you're not on bleeding holiday
Bit of a sweeper that Tony. Though where the police are concerned after watching the linked program I can see why you'd post that.
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reohn2 wrote:It's took me a while to compose myself after reading this. The sentence is utterly disgraceful. Not only will she be free in 2 to 21/2 years,she'll be driving again in 5years subject to passing her driving test. Is this what society deems to be appropriate punishment for this persons actions? If so it's despicable.
The only instance where a motorist while overtaking me collided with another vehicle, the offender was also a young woman aged not much over 20, I'd estimate - and bore a striking resemblance to the woman in this case. At least that accident didn't result in death or serious injury. I have a strong aversion to young motorists and this tragic case does nothing to raise my opinion of them. Something on the lines of compulsory responsible adult supervision of such drivers, or a governor fitted to their car, or a breathalyzer device in the car, or whatever. If we really can't raise the minimum driving age to 25, which is my preferred option. But as an oldie, I suppose I would say that.
Not a bad idea. Minimum age to drive of 25 and maximum age of 65.
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
reohn2 wrote:The video shows that if you want to,you can catch people doing wrong. However if there's not police on the streets there's no chance of catching people,that is the position the UK is ATM. It's been deemed by politrickians that we can't afford to police the streets. Only last week a chief of one police force stated that if the proposed 2015 cuts go ahead his force will collapse and he can't guarantee it to be effective anymore.
Given that the Dispatches undercover operation recently showed how much time wasting, pratting about and generally micturate poor policing goes on I'm sure there are plenty of areas that can be tightened up to make (ALL) police forces more effcient financially (as well as operationally)...a lot more!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq9YiYzqmH4
I can only agree after seeing the mess conducted by the police on numerous occasions.
Sick of hearing whining from the public sector when it comes to cut backs, sort your carp out, become more efficient and do your jobs, you're not on bleeding holiday
Bit of a sweeper that Tony. Though where the police are concerned after watching the linked program I can see why you'd post that.
The New York Police Department runs on a budget of about £3 billion a year, the Met on £4 billion. NYPD has 34,500 front line officers and the Met 31,500. It would seem NYPD is somewhat more efficiently run.
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
pete75 wrote:Not a bad idea. Minimum age to drive of 25 and maximum age of 65.
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity. Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments... --- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
pete75 wrote: The New York Police Department runs on a budget of about £3 billion a year, the Met on £4 billion. NYPD has 34,500 front line officers and the Met 31,500. It would seem NYPD is somewhat more efficiently run.
On the face of it yes I'd have to agree. I'd no idea of the facts and figures TBH.
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pete75 wrote: The New York Police Department runs on a budget of about £3 billion a year, the Met on £4 billion. NYPD has 34,500 front line officers and the Met 31,500. It would seem NYPD is somewhat more efficiently run.
On the face of it yes I'd have to agree. I'd no idea of the facts and figures TBH.
I wonder how much of the difference is down to areas of responsibility. e.g. Met responsible for e.g. fraud investigation (incl. bank fraud, MP's fraud, etc.), etc. - does the NYPD have the same burden ? Does the NYPD have to send officers undercover to have elicit affairs (and children) with suspects, to encourage laws to be broken so they can then arrest somebody (before having to pay them massive compensation ? Is one really comparing like with like.
Not that I am impressed by the UK Police, just that if as a society we are to find a real solution rather than just be critical we need to ensure we are looking at the correct/valid data.
pete75 wrote: The New York Police Department runs on a budget of about £3 billion a year, the Met on £4 billion. NYPD has 34,500 front line officers and the Met 31,500. It would seem NYPD is somewhat more efficiently run.
On the face of it yes I'd have to agree. I'd no idea of the facts and figures TBH.
I wonder how much of the difference is down to areas of responsibility. e.g. Met responsible for e.g. fraud investigation (incl. bank fraud, MP's fraud, etc.), etc. - does the NYPD have the same burden ? Does the NYPD have to send officers undercover to have elicit affairs (and children) with suspects, to encourage laws to be broken so they can then arrest somebody (before having to pay them massive compensation ? Is one really comparing like with like.
Not that I am impressed by the UK Police, just that if as a society we are to find a real solution rather than just be critical we need to ensure we are looking at the correct/valid data.
Ian
According to it's organisational structure NYPD has a Special Fraud Squad so presumably it does investigate fraud. In England it's not the Met that is responsible for specialist fraud investigation but the City of London Police who say this on their website "The City of London Police Economic Crime Directorate is recognised as the national policing lead for fraud and is dedicated to preventing and investigating fraud at all levels. "
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
pete75 wrote:[The New York Police Department runs on a budget of about £3 billion a year, the Met on £4 billion. NYPD has 34,500 front line officers and the Met 31,500. It would seem NYPD is somewhat more efficiently run.
NYPD budget 2014 was 4.6Bn. The MET was 3.6Bn Is the MET more efficient than we thought?
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way.No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse. There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Taking this back to the thread title, there's a view (which I've mentioned before on this forum and possibly on this thread) that a public expectation of severe punishment of those convicted is a sign that the criminal justice system as a whole isn't working. Any policing system can only be a reflection of the criminal justice system. To me, the obvious place to look for a better way is Europe. That idea gets a bad press, literally, because rhetoric rules. (OK)