Audax67 wrote:Good case for sump-buster speed-bumps.
Should make speed bumps using non-Newtonian fluids. Roll over them slowly and they just flatten. Hit them hard and you become a space craft...
Audax67 wrote:Good case for sump-buster speed-bumps.
Bonefishblues wrote:Audax67 wrote:Good case for sump-buster speed-bumps.
Or these, perhaps?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Vanco ... B640%3B347
Psamathe wrote:And they managed to reduce the average vehicle speed on the road by increasing the speed limit from 30 to 40 ! (yes, rduce the average speed by increasing the speed limit).
kwackers wrote:Audax67 wrote:Good case for sump-buster speed-bumps.
Should make speed bumps using non-Newtonian fluids. Roll over them slowly and they just flatten. Hit them hard and you become a space craft...
Pete Owens wrote:iviehoff wrote:Lance Dopestrong wrote:Why does anyone need to drive at 75mph anywhere, never mind past a school?
Few things we do in life are completely necessary. A lot of driving takes place at 75mph on motorways, and few people worry about that very much. Nevertheless there are reasons for speed limits in particular places. In the case of schools, there is a case for arrangements for temporary limits at particular times, which the school staff turn on and off with a key.
Oh dear - obviously the sort of person who drives absolutely everywhere so the only people who he gives a stuff about are other drivers - everybody else is simply expected to keep out of his way. In his world view the only legitimate pedestrians are children who's parents have driven them to school but have to park on the other side of the road. He is prepared to slow down for these children at tightly restricted times and places because they are passengers of motorists.
What about children who walk or cycle all the way from their home to school? (basically ANY road in a built up area will be part of a school catcment)
What about children going to places other than school at other times of the day or night - to brownies, to the shops, to the swimming pool, to the park, to church, to the theatre, to the bus stop, to a friends house... ?
What about adults - or are we supposed to understand how dangerous you are and scuttle out of your way?
What about the blind or disabled?
What about us cyclists (this is after all a cycle forum)?
Vorpal wrote: ... I was quite surprised to hear one of the parents from the parent-teacher organsiation say that the school had applied to close the road on school days between 8:00 and 8:35 (there isn't as much of a problem at home time). When I asked, I was told that this was to allow the children to cross safely, and discourage families from driving to school. ...
Teacher Naomi Maguire said: "It has always been a safety issue whenever we walk the children to a bus - the older ones on the outside, the youngest on the inside and the adult almost like a human shield."
Pete Owens wrote:There is overwhelming political support for city wide 20mph limits - including from drivers.
Pete Owens wrote:There is overwhelming political support for city wide 20mph limits - including from drivers. Councilors all over the country are attempting to introduce it.
The resistance comes from the police who can't be buttocked with traffic enforcement, and from council officers who have been engrained in the culture of moving motor traffic as fast as possible for so long that theycan't see the need for change.
Professor Alan Tapp and Professor Clive Nancarrow of UWE Bristol's Social Marketing Centre have analysed the results of a recent YouGov survey of Great Britain and concluded that although support is strong for 20mph limits in residential areas and busy streets, enforcement by the police will be needed to confront the driving of a minority.
A recent YouGov survey of Great Britain has found a clear majority of support for 20mph speed limits in residential streets (65% support or strongly support) and busy shopping areas and busy streets (72%). When asked for reasons to support 20mph limits, perhaps not surprisingly road safety and children's safety are where the public's collective priority currently lies, with other reasons - such as making our streets more pleasant to live in, encouraging more walking and cycling, reducing noise and improving the quality of life receiving less support.
With one-fifth of the UK already within 20mph limits or with firm plans to do so, and more large urban areas to follow suit, these findings are encouraging for local authorities wishing to promote the idea of reduced speeds in busy urban settings. On the issue of the level of support amongst different demographics Professor Clive Nancarrow of UWE-Bristol's Social Marketing Centre said, “We found a higher level of support for 20mph in residential areas amongst women and older age groups. Interestingly there was also an association with voting intention, with a higher level of support for 20mph limits amongst Green (75%) and Labour voters (70%) and a lower level of support amongst Conservatives (60%), UKIP (60%) and Lib-Dems (63%).”
But will motorists obey the new limits?
Professor Alan Tapp, also of UWE Bristol, reports a divide in attitudes. “While a majority of drivers, 64%, agree that they 'will be careful to observe new 20 mph limits wherever they are', nevertheless a minority, 31%, say 'If a 20mph speed limit is introduced, I may not stick to it'. Other data may provide clues as to why this divide exists. For instance almost three quarters (73%) of adults in GB agree that breaking speed limits is not acceptable in most circumstances and nearly two thirds (59%) of GB adults think most people drive too quickly. But on the other hand 28% of drivers agreed 'I use my own judgement, not speed limits, to decide on my speed on the road', while 49% thought 'It is just too difficult to stay at 20mph'. Almost a third of people (30%) thought that 20mph is an example of a nanny state; and a small minority (7%) demonstrated their libertarian beliefs agreeing that 'I think people should be free to drive at whatever speed they want to.
“Apart from these divides in attitude, local authorities and 20mph supporters need to also be aware of a possible 'vicious circle' effect, in which those who want to comply with the new limits may be put off from doing so because they are affected by the driving behaviour of others: 37% of drivers said they 'tend to drive at the speed of others on the road'. This 'copycat effect' may be compounded by a feeling amongst the large majority - 71% of drivers – who agreed that 'people will ignore 20mph limits because they don't see themselves getting caught by the police'. That's why clear and unequivocal police support for 20mph limits would be very welcome for those who want a new culture of driving at slower speeds in built up areas.”