Ad nauseum, life of composites

[[XAP]Bob]

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Sorry it has taken so long to spot this. We have to use patterns because the IP addresses are dynamically allocated.

Grateful that you've left his posts in place (the thread would have been a little odd without them )

[Vorpal]

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Grateful that you've left his posts in place (the thread would have been a little odd without them )

I deleted or edited the most insulting ones + responses, but tried to leave the debate/content.

[mark a.]

Forget about a potential CF Dawes Galaxy. I've love to see what a carbon Pashley Princess would look like

At least a CF utility bike would remain rust-free. And ding-free too (at least visible ones). It would be fun to see as a futuristic concept (and not necessarily in reality).

[Tonyf33]

One thing is clear, there a are many on this forum whom do not want to accept that carbon fibre is suitable for ALL types of cycling AND that it does have a shelf life more than a few circuits round the block..
I'm actually glad that these types don't/won't buy CF, it would serve no purpose other than to make them worry sick that it might explode at any second and even though I disgree with their nonsense no fact arguements regarding CF and it's longevity/uses I wouldn't want their ride/s spolit by having to constantly worry about said threat..

So carry on not buying/riding it and I'll keep on buying/riding it and enjoy it for what i know it gives me.
For me I'm done with this thread now, enjoy debating CF et al and maybe even fairies and their existance/non existance..you'll probably have more actual facts on that eh Brucey?

[JimL]

One thing is clear, there a are many on this forum whom do not want to accept that carbon fibre is suitable for ALL types of cycling AND that it does have a shelf life more than a few circuits round the block..
I'm actually glad that these types don't/won't buy CF, it would serve no purpose other than to make them worry sick that it might explode at any second and even though I disgree with their nonsense no fact arguements regarding CF and it's longevity/uses I wouldn't want their ride/s spolit by having to constantly worry about said threat..

So carry on not buying/riding it and I'll keep on buying/riding it and enjoy it for what i know it gives me.
For me I'm done with this thread now, enjoy debating CF et al and maybe even fairies and their existance/non existance..you'll probably have more actual facts on that eh Brucey?

Agreed.

This has been 32 pages of mostly nonsense and strangely it is the anti- CF people who have completely bought the marketing hype that says that CF is only for wannabe racers and has to cost a fortune.

[Brucey]

One thing is clear, there a are many on this forum whom do not want to accept that carbon fibre is suitable for ALL types of cycling AND that it does have a shelf life more than a few circuits round the block..

well it evidently isn't and doesn't always respectively.

I'm actually glad that these types don't/won't buy CF, it would serve no purpose other than to make them worry sick that it might explode at any second and even though I disgree with their nonsense no fact arguements regarding CF and it's longevity/uses I wouldn't want their ride/s spolit by having to constantly worry about said threat..

think again; I didn't say I wouldn't or that I haven't. I just can't (outside of certain forms of racing, when you have already dotted every 'i' and crossed every 't') see what the point is exactly.

So carry on not buying/riding it and I'll keep on buying/riding it and enjoy it for what i know it gives me.

I think if it 'gives you anything', it'll be between the ears and nowhere else. When the manufacturer's recommendation is that you chuck the thing in the bin if it has been in a shunt, regardless of how it looks, I'd sooner have a bike made from something else thank-you.

For me I'm done with this thread now, enjoy debating CF et al and maybe even fairies and their existance/non existance..you'll probably have more actual facts on that eh Brucey?

I can take a joke with the best of them but I've given you the benefit of my professional opinion on this matter, and in return I've been one the receiving end of a lot of ill-informed comment and invective, mostly from people that don't know what they are talking about.

I also think it is quite telling that I have heard of only one manufacturer of cycle components whose quality was so poor in recent years that they went out of business; they made carbon forks...

cheers

[MartinC]

...........................worry sick that it might explode at any second...................................

This straw man rubbish gives an insight into the argument. None of the proponents will engage with the caveats around CF that Trek document in their pdf linked to upthread so they invent something that's just hyperbole to rail against.

I'm often tempted to buy a CF frame but the equation doesn't work out for me yet. I need to buy one of the quality that will assure me of the ride I want but at the price I'd pay for something that's essentially disposable. They're getting there though.

[[XAP]Bob]

This has been 32 pages of mostly nonsense and strangely it is the anti- CF people who have completely bought the marketing hype that says that CF is only for wannabe racers and has to cost a fortune.

It doesn't have to cost more than a good frame in any other material

It does have to offer some advantage to compensate for the weakness outlined throughout this thread, as well as by Trek.

[Dave W]

No proof here either http://isolatecyclist.bostonbiker.org/2 ... ure-rates/

No facts, no numbers nothing to go on. Strange.

[reohn2]

......This has been 32 pages of mostly nonsense and strangely it is the anti- CF people who have completely bought the marketing hype that says that CF is only for wannabe racers and has to cost a fortune.

I really don't see how you come to that conclusion .
It is being marketed as the material for the sportive/race type bike in the road sector,and as race/fast bike in the MTB sector.
The link to the Trek website documents says it all IMHO with regard to it's intended lifecycle.
The more cyclists on CF with a short life cycle the better it suits manufacturers of CF bikes at whatever cost,as profit is realised on units sold.
It's not rocket science to see what's going on here,bull up CF as the greatest thing since sliced bread to a market that's being billed as the new golf,a martet where if you keep a bike for five years or more you a nobody,obviously there are exceptions to the rule,but generally that's the slant on it from the marketeer's POV.Sell cheap scrap them after a short life cycle or a prang and don't come crying us if you don't read the small print.

As for cost,yes the cost is coming down,but at what other cost?
So how durable is a CF utility bike likely to be in the cut and thrust of the everyday cycle rack scrum,etc?
Which leads to another point touched on briefly but I feel not answered satisfactorily.Whenever a CF bike's life is done,however long or short that is,is it more likely to finish up in landfill rather than be recycled in the same way steel and alu are?

[Dave W]

http://www.elgcf.com/

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/nimrc/resea ... fibre.aspx


On its way.

[Dave W]

Not my favourite company perhaps but interesting reading.

I don't suppose anyone on here would be daft enough to ride an aluminium bike?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/86919 ... bon-bikes/

[reohn2]

http://www.elgcf.com/

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/nimrc/resea ... fibre.aspx


On its way.

But not here specifically.
If I have CF frame that's scrap,will I be able to take it to my local waste disposal unit in the knowledge it be recycled?
I suspect not,for a product that's been on the market for 30+ years and in common used for the past 10years in bicycle manufacture alone,it's a bit slow coming,wouldn't you say?

[reohn2]

Not my favourite company perhaps but interesting reading.

I don't suppose anyone on here would be daft enough to ride an aluminium bike?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/86919 ... bon-bikes/

The properties that make aluminum stiff also transfer road vibrations directly to the rider. Adding a carbon seat post, carbon fork or carbon handlebar can help dampen road vibrations and increase comfort when riding an aluminum frame.

Or buy some decent supple wide tyres and run them at correct pressures for load would help far more than any CF fork,h/bar or seatpost and be safer too

Aluminum frames possess the shortest fatigue life of any material used to manufacture bicycle frames. The typical aluminum frame possesses a life expectancy of five to 10 years. Conversely, carbon possesses the longest fatigue life. Most manufacturers provide a lifetime warranty on carbon frames. Some manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty on their aluminum frames, but most offer five to 10 years.

By reading Trek's small print linked to above by IRC you get a better idea about CF's intended life span,you know Trek,the bike manufacturer who sponsored the cheat/bully/scally/discredited non champion to ride their bikes,the very same cheat/bully/scally/discredited non champion who's the founder of that website.
It's a bit of a merry-go-round is that one
Yours Truly
Fuddy duddy,grandad(soon to be great grandad),bald(grey haired elsewhere),yet happy,older citizen

[Vorpal]

Not my favourite company perhaps but interesting reading.

I don't suppose anyone on here would be daft enough to ride an aluminium bike?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/86919 ... bon-bikes/

One of my bikes has an aluminium frame, and I quite like it.

p.s. it also has carbon forks