Exercise and weight loss?

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Yes i do. In fact my only intake I can manage is coffee (instant with half and half water/milk). I generally have 1 to 3 cups just before leaving. I reckon it is not good for me but it is better than forcing food down only to either bring it up or feel like I am about to for some time.

I used to read in outdoor magazines about the breakfast being the most important meal of the day for walking, climbing and other outdoors activities in the hills. Then in one walking magazine they had an article by a new diet and exercise expert (the sort with Dr at the front and lots of letters after their name). That person answered a question I had which was "how do I eat breakfast when I can;t keep it down?". Basically that expert explained that if you eat late at night it doesnt go to fat but it gets utilized by your body when it is needed. Also said that if you can not face food first thing then don't have anything until you feel like it. Take some food that is easy to eat on the move and eat it after you have got going for the day. IIRC it was in that article or further Q&As from that expert that I got the attitude of eating when needed rather than at set times. Or as much as that is possible with set work breaks meaning lunch os 1pm. I think that is a healthier way than eating set times with the potential for feelings of needing food to result in you eating an unhealthy snack while at your desk or workstation.
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I don't think I could manage without breakfast fairly soon after getting up (say, within one hour at most). But my stomach does churn at the sight of a 'full English' - I don't comprehend how folks can stuff that lot in their mouths so early in the day! For me it's strictly continental, toast with spreads but without butter, but often with half an avocado to start things off (hence there is some fat content).

I have done practically nothing to re-think the main meals of the day, since I started this try-to-lose-weight regime. It's been almost entirely down to snacks. I still snack between meals, but it's now more likely to be a handful of cherry tomatoes or a gherkin from the fridge, rather than a biscuit or a bag of crisps or peanuts. My change in lifestyle may not be the best, but I think everything helps.
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661-Pete wrote: My change in lifestyle may not be the best, but I think everything helps.


Absolutely. My father once found himself heavier than he wanted to be and lost the best part of a stone just by giving up sugar in his tea. It took a year but so what? He kept the weight off permanently.
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531colin wrote:
Psamathe wrote:............. When I had my "old person's health check" (waste of time),................


I had one of those. Despite 3** club runs a week I was considered "inactive" because I didn't do any other regular exercise.....until she asked how I got there, I had walked, I suppose you could stretch it to 10 minutes if you went round the block....but because I walk to the shop for a loaf a few days a week, that counted as exercise, so then I was "active"

**(one fairly "social" ....but 65 miles on yesterday's mid-weeker, the main one is Sunday)



How does that even work? They don't count cycling? Surely not?
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Mark1978 wrote:
531colin wrote:
Psamathe wrote:............. When I had my "old person's health check" (waste of time),................


I had one of those. Despite 3** club runs a week I was considered "inactive" because I didn't do any other regular exercise.....until she asked how I got there, I had walked, I suppose you could stretch it to 10 minutes if you went round the block....but because I walk to the shop for a loaf a few days a week, that counted as exercise, so then I was "active"

**(one fairly "social" ....but 65 miles on yesterday's mid-weeker, the main one is Sunday)



How does that even work? They don't count cycling? Surely not?


They want you to have (at least) 2 forms of exercise. So I could be cycling 200 miles a week, and be "inactive", whereas if I played a round of golf and swum 2 lengths, i would be "active"
Makes perfect sense if you are the bloke that designs tax forms, etc.
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Mark1978 wrote:
531colin wrote:
Psamathe wrote:............. When I had my "old person's health check" (waste of time),................


I had one of those. Despite 3** club runs a week I was considered "inactive" because I didn't do any other regular exercise.....until she asked how I got there, I had walked, I suppose you could stretch it to 10 minutes if you went round the block....but because I walk to the shop for a loaf a few days a week, that counted as exercise, so then I was "active"

**(one fairly "social" ....but 65 miles on yesterday's mid-weeker, the main one is Sunday)



How does that even work? They don't count cycling? Surely not?

The one I had was the Cardiovascular Health Risk Assessment. I think mine had extra questions as it was basically a Framingham or QRISK2 calculation (neither of which actually asks how much exercise you do). But mine did include the "Do you spend more or less than <x> hrs per week exercising ?" (can remember the number <x>). But <x> was pretty small and I was way way way above their yes/no threshold but had no lower risk because of this. So I might just as well sat watching TV with a MacDonalds family grease pot ... (well maybe not). I'd sort of expected a "Do you spend a. <1hr per week; b. 1-2 hrs per week; c.2-4 hrs per week; d. 4-8 hrs per week; e. >8 hrs per week" and you'd score that answer appropriately (rather than a simple yes/no to a pretty trivial exercise time threshold).

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30 mins a day is the usual recommendation isn't it?
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yes, 30 min per day, although I have also seen / heard 200 min. per week. Either way, I thnk the point of the article is that when most people increase their exercise from almost nothing to 30 min per day, it won't help weight loss, if you don't eat a healthy diet. But changing from an unhealthy diet to a healthy dies will produce weight loss, even if for people who don't exercise.

The BBC thinks the take-away is 'it doesn't matter if people exercise'

I think the take-away is that 30 minutes of exercise per day isn't enough to lose weight by exercise alone.
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Went to see the cholesterol specialist yesterday as I do have a family history (and FH). Turns out I have the highest LDL cholesterol she's ever seen. Which wasn't entirely encouraging. Mind you that was from a test two months ago before I changed to my recent diet and I was being rather lazy with my exercise.
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The above is all well and good, but do you have any tips for how I can stop the weight loss without trashing myself? If I eat much more, I'll have to list "food shopper" as my main occupation and if I cycle less, it'll be no fun ;-)
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mjr wrote:The above is all well and good, but do you have any tips for how I can stop the weight loss without trashing myself? If I eat much more, I'll have to list "food shopper" as my main occupation and if I cycle less, it'll be no fun ;-)

Eat more of the 'unhealthy' stuff? Cake, chips, loads of dressing on things?

When my cousin was underweight, his GP told him to put mayonaise on everything. :lol:
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Vorpal wrote:Eat more of the 'unhealthy' stuff? Cake, chips, loads of dressing on things?

When my cousin was underweight, his GP told him to put mayonaise on everything. :lol:

Cakes and chips are what I mean by "trashing myself". I've tried adding olive oil to things that don't really need it but the effect seems limited. I've also tried eating five meals a day, which works, but has obvious drawbacks when cycling all day... or rather, it ceases to be cycling all day because so much time is spent stopped and eating it and buying it on non-cycling days :(
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It may well be that you just haven't achieved your natural body weight, yet. Or that your metabolism hasn't adjusted correctly. If you considerably vary your cycling between one day and the next, this is more likely to be a problem. You body will regulate itself better, or at least adjust to the activity more easily if you cycle 30 miles per day 7 dyas a week than if you cycle 150 miles one day, then nothing for a couple of days, then 60 miles in one day, etc.

Obviously, it's possible to lose too much weight, and if you believe that this is occurring, then you may want to see your GP. If it is not yet a problem, I would just weight (see what I did there? ;)) and see if you body sorts itself out.
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Vorpal wrote:It may well be that you just haven't achieved your natural body weight, yet. Or that your metabolism hasn't adjusted correctly. If you considerably vary your cycling between one day and the next, this is more likely to be a problem. You body will regulate itself better, or at least adjust to the activity more easily if you cycle 30 miles per day 7 dyas a week than if you cycle 150 miles one day, then nothing for a couple of days, then 60 miles in one day, etc.

Working rather prevents that :(

Obviously, it's possible to lose too much weight, and if you believe that this is occurring, then you may want to see your GP. If it is not yet a problem, I would just weight (see what I did there? ;)) and see if you body sorts itself out.

I'm already seeing a dietician and I'll probably ask for referral back again but I wondered if anyone else here had been through this and found a solution.
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Yes, there have been a couple of others on here who had that trouble.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38544&p=307140&hilit=shakes#p307140

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=94405&start=15

There might be more. I seem to recall someone asking the same question a few years ago, but couldn't find the thread.
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