leftpoole wrote:Thorn have every right to counter this particular report of Chris Judden as it is not factual.
Why do you think that he is not using facts? If he said that he had toe overlap then he had toe-overlap, end of story as far as I am concerned. If you look at dimensions of Thorn vs Dawes the top tube lengths are shorter (Top tube length Dawes Galaxy similar size = 547mm vs 540mm for the Thorn) so the front wheel will be closer to toes. Now it does appear to be true that the next size up might not have had it but it does look tight to me even by looking at a photo of the bike.
Again I urge you to re-read the article with an open mind. You have a deep love of your bikes that we can all understand but do try to understand that this article was not a personal slight on your bikes. CJ actually quite liked it but pointed out a couple of things that one should be careful of when ordering (one of which by Thorn's own admission was an oversight in the ordering that a simple note would have covered off).
Now let's talk facts.
Fact 1 - Your bikes don't have toe-overlap with your feet, shoes, etc
Fact 2 - The test bike for what ever reason did have toe-overlap for CJ with his feet, shoes etc. Perhaps he should have been riding the next size up but he was reporting acurately on the bike that he was testing.
Can we please stop this sillyness. CJ will not have been lying would he now? Why would he? Did he just want to upset Thorn for some personal reason? I think not. It is possible for both the above facts to be true.
Personally I used to quite fancy the idea of a Thorn but after all the stuff regarding this, IMHO fair, test has put me off the whole idea of them. I'm sure that they are great bikes but the letters, adversiting hype etc leaves a poor taste in my mouth I'm afraid.
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